Session Start: Sat Apr 10 00:00:00 2010
Session Ident: #glitchpc
[00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'>
[00:00] * Set by jacky on Tue Mar 02 11:03:23
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[12:10] <@Calum> hi all
[12:10] <@jacky> good afternoon (evening)
[12:10] <@jacky> :)
[12:11] <@Calum> good evening (afternoon)
[12:11] <@jacky> what's new? .. anything?
[12:12] <@Calum> Not much really, struggling a little with my overclock heh
[12:12] <@Calum> excuse slow typing, using my phone again
[12:12] <@jacky> turn everything to full blast!
[12:12] <@Calum> it is heh
[12:12] <@jacky> ah..ok, re: phone
[12:12] <@jacky> I was joking!
[12:12] <@jacky> hehe
[12:12] <@Calum> well, it was
[12:12] <@jacky> how do you test?
[12:13] <@jacky> that's hwat you're doing, right?
[12:13] <@jacky> fishing for the max you can get...?
[12:13] <@Calum> I'm just settling for a conservative easy clock now
[12:13] <@Calum> occt
[12:13] <@jacky> oh
[12:13] <@jacky> I haven't been able to examine that yet... but ok
[12:13] <@Calum> oh, how do you mean exactly?
[12:13] <@jacky> I guess occt runs something stressful, AND reports if something errors?
[12:13] <@Calum> yep
[12:14] <@jacky> ok
[12:14] <@jacky> you can't use that computer, while testing?
[12:14] <@jacky> is that why you are on phone?
[12:14] <@Calum> not easily no, it's pegged at 100% cpu
[12:14] <@jacky> heh
[12:14] <@jacky> what cpu is it? ... just curious
[12:15] <@Calum> it's older than the one I upgraded from heh. Intel Q6600
[12:15] <@jacky> I'm thinking about that
[12:15] <@jacky> nope... not understanding
[12:16] <@jacky> hehe
[12:16] <@Calum> heh
[12:16] <@jacky> but the q6600 is a quad core, isn't it?
[12:16] <@jacky> what speed?
[12:16] <@Calum> the chip I had before was a higher clocked, newer dual. This is a quad
[12:16] <@Calum> 2.4
[12:16] <@jacky> so, in the real world, which would seem faster?
[12:16] <@jacky> the faster dual? or the quad core?
[12:17] <@Calum> depends on what you were doing really
[12:17] <@jacky> ok
[12:18] <@jacky> I think I've asked you this before... and didn't retain it... but what directs traffic around the cores?
[12:18] <@jacky> such that one core is not doing it all, and another is doing nothing?
[12:18] <@jacky> is it a function of the application? or the OS?
[12:18] <@Calum> The os
[12:18] <@Calum> well
[12:19] <@Calum> the os can balance out tasks to a point, but to have an app use more than one core, it must be written multithreaded
[12:19] <@jacky> let's try this example: you are running program A, and it is not written multithreaded... so it runs all on one core
[12:19] <@Calum> if an app isn't multithreaded it would use 25% cpu, which is all of one core, but balanced across them
[12:19] <@jacky> next, you load program B... it too is not written multithreded
[12:19] <@jacky> will the OS run it on other core?
[12:20] <@Calum> each would use 25% cpu spread across cores
[12:20] <@jacky> I don't understand... 25% cpu is all of one core.
[12:20] <@jacky> lost me.. sorry
[12:20] <@jacky> I thought you said it could not spread across cores, if not written that way
[12:21] <@Calum> 25% cpu could be all of one core, half of 2, or a third of 3 or a quarter of 4
[12:21] <@jacky> ah.. ok
[12:21] <@Calum> it can't use more than one core, so it can't use more than 25%
[12:21] <@jacky> I was thinking of it in terms of 4 diff cpus
[12:21] <@jacky> ok
[12:21] <@jacky> back to my question
[12:22] <@jacky> if you are running two diff programs... we all do that all the time
[12:22] <@jacky> will the os assign one to one core
[12:22] <@jacky> and another to another core?
[12:22] <@jacky> instead of multitasking both on one core?
[12:22] <@Calum> Not unless you make it do so. It does depend on ths os to a point though, I guess some may do it differently
[12:22] <@jacky> interesting
[12:23] <@Calum> sorry to keep evading it heh, I'm not trying to, but there are variables there
[12:23] <@jacky> it would seem that the multicore processors are often not utilized at all then
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[12:23] <@jacky> since most of us just click and run stuff....
[12:23] <@Calum> a lot of apps are multithreaded
[12:24] <@Calum> and think...it's effectively 4x the power of a single core, multitasking is much better
[12:24] <@jacky> that's what I'm thinking about, as I ask
[12:24] <@jacky> if everything is run on one core
[12:24] <@jacky> the other 3 are doing nothing
[12:24] <@jacky> :)
[12:24] <@Calum> it's not run on one core though, it's spread across all of them
[12:25] <@jacky> if... what?
[12:25] <@jacky> is that assuming the app is written that way?
[12:25] <@Calum> grrr this overclock is seriously annoying me now, why the **** does it keep bombing at that exact time?!?
[12:26] <@jacky> what does it do? BSOD?
[12:26] <@Calum> no, that's assuming the os can balance it that way, which any smp capable os should do
[12:26] <@Calum> nope, occt just errors
[12:26] <@jacky> oh, I thought you said that the user must do something, to get it to assign an app to a different core
[12:26] <@Calum> 16 min 7 seconds to 37 seconds, every time
[12:26] <@jacky> that has some meaning, for sure
[12:27] <@Calum> that was because we were both typing at the same time. What I meant was it is only locked to one core if the user chooses to do so
[12:27] <@jacky> ah
[12:27] <@jacky> so.. normal everyday user use
[12:27] <@jacky> user is running something
[12:27] <@jacky> it is all on one core, since it is not designed to be otherwise
[12:27] <@jacky> user simply double clicks to run something else
[12:28] <@jacky> it is likely it will be run on another core? .. to take advantage of it?
[12:28] <@jacky> is that more like the way things happen?
[12:28] <@Calum> both will be spread across cores, using no more than the equivalent of one core (25%) eaxh
[12:29] <@jacky> spread across cores?
[12:29] <@jacky> I thought you said they had to be written to allow that...
[12:29] <@Calum> only to use more than one core, that is to say more than 25%
[12:29] <@jacky> right
[12:29] <@jacky> so they can't be spread across cores.. correct?
[12:30] <@jacky> kept all on one core.
[12:30] <@jacky> one on each core, in the example I came up with
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[12:30] <@Calum> sorry, I'm not explaining this very well
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[12:30] <@jacky> hey
[12:30] <@jacky> I'm sorry
[12:30] <@jacky> I forgot
[12:30] <@jacky> you are on your phone
[12:30] <@jacky> and this is really just conversational
[12:30] <@jacky> it is not timely or important
[12:30] <@jacky> just interesting
[12:30] <@jacky> :)
[12:30] <@Calum> ok
[12:30] <@jacky> let's continue it another day
[12:30] <@Calum> ok, sure
[12:30] <@jacky> would that be better for you?
[12:31] <@Calum> probably yes, easier to type
[12:31] <@jacky> :)
[12:32] * @Calum is waiting for divine inspiration....
[12:32] <@Calum> heh
[12:32] <@jacky> har
[12:33] <@Calum> I honestly cannot understand this at all
[12:33] <@jacky> I'll google it... you cannot be the only person to have this happen
[12:34] <@Calum> I've tried googling but haven't found much
[12:34] <@Calum> I can only guess it's some sort of power saving feature
[12:34] <@jacky> I didn't find anything specific, with those times
[12:34] <@jacky> that's an odd time, for something like that to kick in, wouldn't you say?
[12:35] <@jacky> I'd expect that to be even... like on 10,15, or 30 min
[12:35] <@jacky> like that...
[12:35] <@Calum> I would....hang on 1 min and I'll sign back on here on my computer
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[12:35] <@Calum> If I bomb out...unstable overclock heh
[12:36] <@jacky> by the way.. if 2.6 is the standard speed, what speed are you up to now?
[12:37] <@Calum> 2.4 is standard, I've been into Windows at up to 3.6 but couldn't get stable. I'm currently at 3.0
[12:37] <@Calum> I know it can go higher
[12:37] <@jacky> what is symptom of unstability? just locks up?
[12:38] <@Calum> at higher speeds, yeah, I got a few blue screens trying 3.6 but just at rough settings, not finely tuned
[12:38] <@Calum> at lower speeds, OCCT just errors out
[12:38] <@jacky> in the real world, can you feel the extra speed though?
[12:39] <@Calum> I haven't used it enough to tell, heh
[12:39] <@Calum> I will get the benefit though
[12:39] <@jacky> oh?
[12:39] <@Calum> for everyday use, stock speed is more than enough though, to get a noticeable benefit I'd need an SSD really
[12:40] <@Calum> yeah, I do F@H which uses the CPU, I'd see increased speed in that
[12:40] <@jacky> ah, ok
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[12:44] <Mulreay> Mmm people are having barbecues everywhere... Give the Brits a bit of sunshine and we all go crazy
[12:44] <@Calum> heh
[12:45] <@jacky> <sniff, sniff> nope.. no scent... I must be upwind, huh?
[12:45] <Mulreay> lol
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[14:06] <@jacky> be back later
[14:06] <@jacky> 
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[23:17] * Craig is alive and well, for those who read the logs... :P Hope your all doing well as well.